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July 13, 2005quote of the dayI've always maintained that there is little excuse for failure in this country if you simply learn to read and write and you don't mind working. You may never get rich, but you won't starve, either. Opportunity is out there if you possess the wherewithall to take it. If you don't have that wherewithall.... well.... this is no accident: People in the U.S. who are illiterate represent: 75% of the unemployed, 33% of mothers receiving aid, 85% of juveniles who appear in court, 60% of prison inmates. (Stolen from here.) For a long time, I was in charge of vetting New Hires for the chemical plant. I could show you some job applications and some test results that would turn your head 360 degrees and make you puke green pea soup. Some of that shit I saw was unbelievable to me. HOW can somebody grow up in this country today and NOT learn to read and write? BEJUS! Lay a fraction on most 18 year-olds today and they don't have a clue what you're talking about. Give them a simple logic problem, such as "You make coffee pots in a factory. You can assemble the pieces and make a pot in six minutes. How many pots can you make in an hour?" You should have SEEN some of the answers I got to that question. Both of my children could read and write before they ever STARTED school. I didn't rely on government schools to teach them EVERYTHING. I did a little "hands-on" training myself. Too many parents (maybe because they are semi-literate themselves) don't do that, and most teachers I've met lately aren't worth a shit at their jobs. You want to doom a child to a life of poverty and frustration? DON'T teach him anything except how to whine for a hand-out. Let him grow up oblivious of the opportunity around him. Don't EVER feed him books or encourage him to THINK. Oh, yes. You'll raise a fine child that way. Comments
I'm with you on this one. I'm an aid for an English teacher and it turns my stomach when I try to read some of these papers. That would require a parent who was willing to stay at home and do these things. People are too money hungry today and our children are the ones footing the bill. I could tell you some stories about what my husband's ex-wife did to the kids' education and their belief in their abilities to learn. I hate her with all my heart because of it. And do you know, she had the NERVE to stand up and take the applause as a parent who actually did something at my 18 yr old's graduation? Posted by: Kelly on July 13, 2005 10:58 AMI homeschooled my oldest son for grades 1 and 2. It was quite possibly the best thing I could have ever done for him. He's just ended 4th grade and was still reviewing things in school that I had taught him at the end of 2nd grade. Any parent who leaves the education of their child to the supposed 'professionals' is nuts. Posted by: Chablis on July 13, 2005 11:06 AMI volunteered in one of my kids' third grade resource classes and some of the sad plights of the kids there. The reason they couldn't read wasn't so much because they had a true learning disability, but because there was nobody home when they got there to help them reenforce what they were taught in school. That was some of the most gratifying work I have ever done. Ever. Those kids had all but given up hope that they were ever going to learn. Posted by: Kelly on July 13, 2005 11:23 AMMy oldest daughter had auditory dyslexia and did very poorly in school. I worked with her 3 hours every day after school. Also, fed her a lot of aspiration and dreams, belief in herself. She put herself through college, with the help of a computer. She earned her Masters doing everything orally with the professors. She is in private practice, counseling, and earns over $100,000 a year. Posted by: Bonita on July 13, 2005 11:42 AMAhem. Coffe pots: Ten. Homeschooled most of my education. (6th grade to college, and despite what anti-homeschool advocates say, it didn't hurt my social life.) It's funny you should post this. I'm taking a summer class to get me ready for calculus, because homeschooled or not I spent almost five years not doing any math *after* school, and the teacher was explaining a step in detail. Every single part of the problem. There was a fraction to be multiplied. The numerators were 25 and 2, and there was no option to "cancel out." She did the math -- told us it was 50! -- then did the rest of the equation. Step by step. After she was finished? "Where'd you get that fifty?" I would have thrown the damned chalkboard eraser at that girl. We're doing 7th grade stuff here as a review! And fractions are like 5th grade math. Same two girls always ask the same dumb questions. Posted by: Adam Lawson on July 13, 2005 11:48 AMI taught Freshman Comp in a state university and the incoming Freshman, who had good SAT scores, could not read, write, or think effectively. And given our university policies, they could get a B.A. or B.S. without acquiring any greater writing or thinking skills. Thank you, demented liberals! Posted by: WitNit on July 13, 2005 12:07 PM"I'm an aid for an English teacher. . ." Precious. I too was an aid for a teacher for about 8 years. Marital aid, that is. Posted by: Arcs on July 13, 2005 01:40 PMAhem. I meant to say she gave all of her answers outloud, to her professors. Just damn! Posted by: Bonita on July 13, 2005 01:41 PMMy wife, during her graduate studies, TA'd several classes of incoming freshmen chemistry students. Not only was she appalled at the lack of basic math and lab skills (what the hell’s a beaker?), she was equally appalled at the levels the professors would go to in order to accommodate such students. I fear we will pay a huge price in the next couple of generations. I read an article on prisons in Time or the like some years back. There was one prison where the governor had made it a requirement for parole that a prisoner had to know how to read and write. His theory being that a lot of petty cons had done it because as illiterates they couldn't do anything else, and perhaps if he gave them the ability to be "productive members of society" they would. Apparently this cut the residivism rate by a statistically significant amount. The fact that someone actually expected them to do better probably helped too. The reverse of the soft bigotry of low expectations. Posted by: LibraryGryffon on July 13, 2005 02:22 PMI guess we have it lucky down in my little section of Tejas. My kindy daughter already knows how to read, write, do addition and subtraction. My now 6th grader has been doing algebra since the 4th grade. Yep, its a public school too. But, I do agree that most public schools fail miserably. I choose to blame the politics of the administration rather than the teachers. Posted by: Surfie on July 13, 2005 02:31 PMI attended private school from K-5, when I switched to public school my grades went to shit from 6-8 because I WAS TAUGHT WHAT MOST 7th GRADERS WERE LEARNING IN THE 4th FUCKIN GRADE! I was bored to death in middle school. Both my children attend public school, and we still send them to a tutor 4 days a week for phonics and handwriting. I could not believe that they do not teach kids to read using phonics and syllables. How the hell will you ever be able to sound out words that you don't know without first knowing your phonics? Our public school system needs a major overhaul. Posted by: gravdigr on July 13, 2005 02:59 PMYup. Parents want the schools to do all the work anymore. And not just "poor, illiterate parents". If the kids come out "stupid" it's the teachers fault. Just ask the parents. My question is, just when did "personal responsibility and parental involvement" become very non-PC? Posted by: Wichi Dude on July 13, 2005 05:51 PMYeah, its a problem and it is not going to get any better until the public stands up to the teachers unions who think that it is more important for little Johnny to feel good about himself then it is for Johnny to learn to read. By education I am supposed to be a school teacher. One semester taught me that I would wind up in the slammer if I continued. I will not tolerate rudeness-especially from a 16 year old boys and girls who have terminal stupidity and no desire to learn. I went on to bigger and better tghings instead of slapping the little shits around. Posted by: GUYK on July 13, 2005 07:02 PMsix coffeepots, you've got to consider the bathroom break, gossip and bullshit time and general ass scratching. You'd be lucky to get six. I had a time study guy tell me once that if he got 45-50 minutes/hour out of an employee he was happy. I'm not big on getting kids toys every time they go shopping with me, the exception is books. If they want a book they can get one every damn time. My buddy's kids got a lot of their Goosebumps series that way. I look at it as an investment. Posted by: StinKerr on July 14, 2005 03:14 AMShit,
MURRY And don't forget this statistic - 100% of the illiterate can vote (if they're of age). How's THAT for a suicide note for the Republic? Posted by: Ripper on July 14, 2005 11:33 AM
We already are DM. Just look at the increase in Republican voters. Dumbasses abound. PJ Posted by: PJ on July 16, 2005 04:19 AMPost a comment
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