January 14, 2005

I don't give a crap about Texas...

Just don't say Louisiana is not a Southern state.

Codswallop! Like I said, I wonder about you sometimes. Heh.

Christine, Louisiana is about as Southern as it gets.

Hey now, Beef deserves a place right beside the Pork at any barbecue setting.

Granted, I've never had pork so fall-off-the-bone kill-people-for-more insanely delicious as I have in Georgia, but still. Cows are your friends. Especially when served with the right sauce and seasoning.

And... you had to mention Louisiana. Now I want barbecue pork, beef, AND a freakin shrimp bake. Damnit.

They did kill Yankees though, right? Has to be some kind of honorary title we can give them.

First off, you see very few real cowboys in Texas. The only ones wearing cowboy hats around here are your true Mexicans. I don't know one Texas barbeque place that only has beef. And there ARE cows EVERYWHERE! and I couldn't seem to find one damn Texan would will fix MY old computer so I don't know where you get the "riding computers" thing. Texas is KNOWN for their pretty women, so if that ain't enough for you, then I don't know what is!!!....LOL

I was born in the south and now live in Texas.
You need to come visit me here sometime and I'll show you what Texas is all about. Also, I don't know any true Texan who claims Texas is a southern state anyway. In my opinion you've got that post all wrong.

Texas is it's own damn country!

Hey....I'm from the South. South Texas that is. HEH!

Damn! Texans were killing Yankees on one end and Mexicans on the other. They were eatin cows, drinkin tequila, stompin cockroaches in the corner, chewin Red Man, speakin Tex-Mex, and doin the two-step with pretty wimmen all at the same time. What were Georgians doing besides speakin Geechee and eatin hawgs? Heh.

You have a pretty bad view of Texas Rob. There are real cowboys here...plenty of them. You think just because a man has gone to college or owns, say, an advertising agency, he isn't a cowboy? Where I'm from (El Paso), at least half of everyone knows someone who owns a ranch, be it a relative or whatever. Maybe even spent a few summers out on one growing up. Just because you don't live on a ranch doesn't mean your aren't a cowboy.

And by God, don't ever compare us to New Mexico - fucking crystal-gazing lunatics. No self-respecting Texan campares anything of Texas to New Mexico.

But you're right on one thing - we aren't Southern (although we have the historical credentials to rightly claim ourselves as such). We're Texans.

Well, in hopes of not being de-lited again, YOU'RE RIGHT! Texas, though southern in location, is not a southern state. It's Texas. It is its own self. But, I'm just a stupid shit from the upper midwest who was lucky enough tobe transferred down here with my husband, who was born and raised here. The writers who come from here are Texan, not southern.

Oh, yeah they do cook pork barbecue. Unless those ribs we've been smoking all these years transubstantiated when the lid was closed.
Here's a question. Memphis is considered the mid-south. Do you consider it southern? We lived there, too. Seemed pretty southern.

What burr got lodged in your butt over all this and why?

Gut--

You ought to ta git a bit more knowledge before your go spouting off about shit you ain't got no idea about. Don't leave your Cracker Ass showing your ignorance.

Texas looks like Texas. Gerogia was settled by Catholics. Simple point of reference.

Unlike you Jawjan's, Texans had the balls to declare themselves a republic . They fought Yankees and Mexicans and rather than bitch about either or both, they assimilated both. Texans can do kick-ass BBQ with beef or pork or even armadillo. They do greens enough to make a any southerner cry, grits are every-fucking-where, and every bean and pea known to man dances with bacon and delights the taste buds. Cornbread (add a bit of bacon grease, please), will kick Georgia ass anytime.

Fuck your "hat" analogy. Shit--more Texans wear ball caps than THERE ARE Jawjans, and the rest wear cowboy hats or true leather hats (yours truly).

You are kinda (like fucking totally) misinformed. Not your fault . . . since news of the world to Jawja always has been kinda slow.

As to ego . . . Dude, I think you should wisely refrain from pissing on that tree. Guns down here are like salt and pepper, they season everything. In fact, let you stay here a week, and you might consider Jawja to be sorta Yankee-ish" and all.

As to the issue of boots . . . my serious recommendation is this: Do not act or post as if you were a roach (this warning certified by the mournful roach-like survivors of a gazillion Texas roaches, as well as human survivors of various and sundry bar-fights).

Your opinion is NOT humble . . .

Just wrong.

C'mon over and git a feel for what's real.

LOL . . . Good Ole JB

BTW--had to put one of mah dawgs down two weeks ago . . . 17 and he never even pissed in the house.. Good Dawg.

First, my stock phrase about Texas, just to be snarky: "The only thing good that comes out of Texas is I-10." That's just to get Texans riled.

That being said, if I had to leave Louisiana, I think it'd be to move to Texas. Of course, my doing so would raise the average IQ of BOTH states... And the date would be marked ont he calendar as a day of mourning in Louisiana and would become a state holiday in Texas...

Texas: A place where you can get great barbecue. They KNOW that barbecue comes from something with FOUR legs. They (and I) prefer beef, but I've eaten some mighty good ribs in Texas. They freakin' INVENTED chili, second only to Cajun gumbo as the soup of the gods. And they do steaks TWO ways, one of which is chicken-fried... The other is just throwed at a really hot fire...

As a matter of fact, the only thing really BAD about Texas is that it's full of TEXANS.

So what you're saying is, Texas is about as Southern as California is Western?

As a matter of fact, the only thing really BAD about Texas is that it's full of TEXANS.

And it's funny, because I say that about California too.

"BTW--had to put one of mah dawgs down two weeks ago . . . 17 and he never even pissed in the house.. Good Dawg."

Sorry to hear it JB. Was he a Redbone?

Love my dogs. Better'n most people. Mine don't piss in the house either but they will occasionally shit there If I piss THEM off.

Hey Rob. I just wrote you an invitation in a post. You need to come out here for a visit. Mostly Cajun's right. Louisiana's the real deal, but Texas is alright.

Waall --

Parts of Texas are Southern. Coming in on I10 you won't see much of that, but hang a right before you get to Houston and you'll see what I'm talking about. On I20 or I30 it's more obvious. Draw a line from about the midpoint between Greenville and Sulphur Springs, south then sweeping east to cross the river just above I10. East and north of that line is Southern. It can be hard to tell you aren't in Mississippi if you don't look at the car tags.

West and south of that line, Texas is very different from the South. Dallas is not a Southern city -- it has more in common with Kansas City. And somewhere between Dallas and Fort Worth the West begins, where cowboy hats and roachstomper boots have a practical application :-)

Overall Texas is not a Southern state, correct. But there are plenty of Red Man hats in Tyler and Nacogdoches.

Regards,
Ric

Louisiana is Southern, but the odd cousin in the family--South Louisiana, that is.

Brother Dave Gardner used to tell of an old Georgian who got up out of his rocker and said, "Boys, I'm sick 'n' tired of y'all. I'm moving South." They told him: "You done lost your mind." So he went to Texas.

As for the Texas accent, it is accounted for by the mingling of Highland and Lowland Southern in the migration of Great Individual Recalcitrance., known as "lighting out for Texas."

Rob's home state of West Virginia spurned the South, and was the only one to voluntarily leave the family. The highlanders never did truck much with slavery.

Texas do have some very pretty girls and they bar-b-que more beef than we do in GA. Our sause is alot better. The Texas wear those great big large silver belt buckels, that is a sigh of a dead dick.

I've got the best of both worlds. Married to a Texan and live in Georgia. And can make a serious gumbo.

Speaking of both worlds... I live in the county where Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson are buried... And the county where Sam Houston was born.
Lee and Jackson are buried only a few miles from the site where Houston was born. Although they were worlds apart on the Civil War issue. Wait: strike that... Lee was not happy about secession either.

Remember the alamo?
I do, they lost.

Remember Robert E. Lee?
He lost, too.

The only good things that have EVER come out of Georgia are the onions, peaches, and Ray Charles. Other than that, it's just another small minded state full of inbred rednecks, shitty vinegar bbq sauce, and people who admire Ted Turner.

You want to live in a real state, move to the north. At least the racists there don't hide behind white sheets and a sad dream that the south might rise again.

The following was told to me by a son of Texas (Pasadena borne and raised Baptist):

Q. How do you find Texas?

A. Drive west (or east) till you smell it, and south till you step in it.

*****

His ambition about leaving Texas?

Strap a taco on his hood and drive north until someone asks him what it is.

Texans WANT to be Southern

Who? Any Texan not satisfied with being a Texan and pining to be Southern needs to get on a bus. They run all day long, and I'll buy 'em a ticket. Col. Travis and his men didn't die so people could sit around mooning about pork butt.

I miss Texas...a lot.

It must be the wimmin. .

Texas sucks (only because of their cocky people) and isn't the south.

1. Chilli cook offs. Western.
2. Ranches. Once again, Western, not southern.

I could go on, but the western influence on Texas is much too great to be considered southern.

I cant believe I'm gonna be the first on here to defend Texas as a Southern State, I dont see how anybody can say we aint southern, we were the seventh state to secede, yes BEFORE Arkansas, Noth Carolina,Virginia and Tennessee! we contributed 100,000 men to the cause, our state capitol faces south like other southern states do, we were settled by mostly Southerners, East Texas is about as southern as you can get, we got statues to honor Southern Generals and soldiers all over Texas, we grew cotton and still have some plantations scattered about Texas, the last battle of the civil war was fought here, we were the last to free our slaves, Texas accents are Southern accents, we still use the rebel yell here, i could go on and on. I do agree that nowadays alot of Texas is more western influenced and alot of our cities dont resemble the South at all, but the same can be said for cities in every southern state, and what about Virginia and Florida? I've been to both and those states dont resemble anyting southern either, so why aint yall doggin them? I'll just never get why other southerners are so quick to disown Texas, we southerners are supposed to be a "band of brothers" as the famous song bonnie blue flag goes and I tell ya what if the south ever did rise again yall wold be beggin Texas to secede again! without us yall wouldnt stand a chance!

Texas is Texas, to be sure, but most of the things that make it Texas are Southern in orgin (history, folkways, tradition, speech and settlement patterns, etc.). When it comes right down to it, in all the above catagories, most of Texas and Texans has/have more in common with Tennessee and Alabama than with Arizona or Colorado. And as someone noted above, we did more than our share whuppin' yankees when they decided to come down. Hee hee

As an afterthought, concerning the mention of chili and ranches. In fact, there are chili cookoffs in most states (including Georgia and Mississippi). Too, "Texas chili" is MUCH different from that of the true western states. For one thing, the former absolutely does NOT have beans in it (nor tomatoes, etc).

Ranches? Yes, this is true. But the fact is that the true Texas "cattle" tradition started out as a "drover" type, not tending and raising. When it became an economic force to be reckoned with, it was after the War of Southern Independence, and was mostly the undertaking of ex-Confederate soldiers and westward moving Southerners into the state, looking to get a new start. The original Texas cowboy was almost certainly to be one of the above, and the lifestyle and habits were derived from the "Old South cattle drovers, not the Mexican vaquero.

I agree that Texas is unique. But I also contend that it is simply a unique Southern state. But moreover, does the south truly not want Texas in its geographical definition? Because if so, the southern region as a whole, will be reduced to the most statistically unprogressive backwater shithole in the U.S.

Im all for Texas being defined as simply Texas. We lead the country in production of most agricultural goods, petroleum refinery/ production and areas of technology. Hell trust me, the south AND the U.S. needs Texas MUCH more than Texas needs either of them. And we damn sure can do without the sweet peaches of Georgia. So I say, if backwater, staggnant places like Georgia doesnt want us in its definition of the south, then so be it. They can keep producing peaches and uneducated rednecks, and see how far that will get the south as a region. They can continue wearin dirty red clay covered overalls with one strap hooked and drinkin mint julips, and watchin Nascar. See what kind of reputation their beloved "Southeast" will have then. What I find hilarious is that, whatever Georgia, or any other Southern, South Central, Southwestern, Gulf Coast state claims it has, Texas has every bit of it and then some...lol..U want baseball hats & overalls, visit Tyler, Longview, Huntsville and all points east to the Sabine River. Just that one region of Texas is roughly the size of Georgia. But if you want to start talking about aspects of a state that are inconsistent with other southern states lets talk about Georgia being on the East Coast, therefore in Eastern Standard Timezone, UNLIKE the rest of the south AND TX. Glass house my friend. glass house.

While I wouldn't go so far as to say that Texas is a Great Plains state, its culture is entirely too (south)western to be grouped in with the South. Besides, the Census Bureau cites it as a South-Central or West South Central state - may be splitting hairs, but is worth noting.

The only thing "southern" about Texas is the fact that it's below the Mason-Dixon line. (Going by the ineffective argument of geography alone, let us then deem western Delaware, D.C., and Maryland "the South," too.) In my entire life living in Texas, I have witnessed a grand total of *one* Confederate flag, and it was on the back of some backwoodsman's 9,000 year-old truck in a town I've never heard of while on route from Austin to Dallas - therefore I'd consider such an attitude and culture the exception here rather than the rule.

Think of Texas' portrayal in old Western movies as well - ranchers and not farmers, etc. Furthermore, Texas lacks the plantation cultures of Georgia and South Carolina (the two largest driving forces in the Civil War), and certainly is not to be lumped in with Deep South states like Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, & Tennessee.

To the owner of GutRumbles.com: thanks for pointing out some of the more peripheral distinctions between Texas and the South as well. Very true!

I am from southern West Virginia and I am southern we are below the MD line and they didn't let people from southern WV vote for or against succeding the Northern part above the MD line chose for us. 2/3 of the state was confederate. If you come here you will know what I mean I like to say we are"Southern .....Appalachin" Folk Good old Confederate Muontain Folk. PS- Don't worry the south will rise again and then we will regain and make sure we get to vote the way we want to.