September 26, 2004

Oh Gawd, Rob... yer gonna gitcher nads slammed in a door or two for this one, but... I do know whatcha mean.

I think there may be a third catagory, though. The one I (and a coupla others) am (are) in...

If this comes out right, we don't sell or give it away. We TRADE it, more or less, but ALWAYS even up.

What I mean is, men do certain things for their women just because they love them, like Eric does for me. I, in turn, do things for him that I'd not do for any other guys just because I love HIM. He does what he does, not just because he loves me, but because he can also tell how much I love him and vice versa.

See?
(Clear as mud, huh? lol)

Even if I didn't make this as clear as I wanted, I just wanted to remind you (or maybe "let ya know") that there IS a middle, fair ground between those two extremes.

*hugs*

I ain't buy-sexual -- I've never bought a peice of ass. LOL

ba-dum-bump... *ching*

*giggle*

Buck, it's NEVER free. You may BELIVE that you're not buying it, but you are.

Get back to me in 20 years.

Yes, I guess we are.

When you get right down to it, you're right.

I just never thought of it in that context. Opened up my eyes.

Oh hell I don't know about that. If it's true that all woman are prostituting to a certain extent, I have to think that we're getting the shittier end of the stick. Sex, cooking, cleaning, bearing and raising babies...those are all of the services you men get. What do women get? Huh? Riddle me that, Acidman.

The man's money. That's what you get, Chabliz, and the law LOVES you for all that whining you do.

The house. The cars. The kid. Child support. Lawyer's fees. Restraining orders. Trips and trips back to the courthouse to extort more money.

THAT'S the answer to your riddle.

I AM NOT making this shit up.

The honest ones sell pussy outright. The dishonest ones "give it away,"

And some of us are too naive or stupid to realize it's part of the equation. I wonder where that puts me in the mix.

Man I wish I were your ex-wife lol. She's made off like a bandit. I know it's not funny but damn...I just can't figure out how you ended up with such a wench.
I get a small amount of child support every week and health insurance on the kids and we split the larger expenses 50/50. We don't particularly enjoy having to deal with each other but we do back each other up financially and in regards to the kids. He's been known to pay a car repair bill for me without my asking, simply because he saw that it was being worked on at the garage and knew that money was going to be tight for me. I have been known to drop everything and change plans at a moment's notice because he found himself with some time on his hands and wanted to spend it with the kids. It's not perfect by any means...but it's better than ripping the poor kids apart by playing games.
The law has never heard ME whine because I am smart enough to realize that nothing out there has caused more damage to families than the family court system and it's lawyers. I worked in the family courts for years and I simply refuse to trust it enough to take care of my own family. The ex and I either solve a problem on our own or we drop it. End of story. It never ceases to amaze me how expensive Jennifer makes herself. I feel for you, Rob, but she just fascinates me to no end. Yeah, I'm sure you can be a real asshole when you want to be ( just like we all can be) but I simply can't imagine ripping apart the life of my child's father like she has done to you.

Mama, I think I'm about to have an identity crisis too. To charge or NOT to charge? That is the question.

And if I charge, will my current significant other laugh in my face? lol

It's not a matter of charging or not, Chabliz. It's knowing it was part of the "deal" in the first place.

Don't mind me. I'm just going to chalk it up to Hormonally Induced Hypersensitivity on my part. It's easier to take that way.

And in street symbolism, sometimes a woman really is just standing there waiting on the bus.

I feel bad for someone who has made such awful choices in women that they are this bitter. I know you have been put through the wringer, but that doesn't excuse demeaning fifty percent of the population. You might be better off saying, "All the women I have known are prositutes at heart," though I'm not sure where that leaves your mother, your grandmother and your daughter.

I'm not getting this at all. My wife and I make roughly the same amount of money and brought pretty much the same assets into the marriage. Our incomes are pooled and I'd be hard pressed to tell where one started and the other ended. The only thing I brought to the marriage that she couldn't match were two young children -- children she loves like they are her own and helps me provide for.

I cannot in my wildest dreams see her as a whore, if I was to be totally pragmatic and run the numbers I'm quite certain that I would come out ahead monetarily. If we were to divorce tomorrow she would get exactly what she deserves, half of our joint assets. I, on the other hand, would have the other half along with years of child care, uncomplaining sharing of expenses (despite the fact my children and I are 4/5's of the) and a lifelong feeling of gratitude that a woman as kind and loving as she chose to allow me to share her life.

From the linked article:

"The problem is that the modern woman is a prostitute who doesn't deliver the goods."

Ha ha ha ha. Now that the secret is out, nothing will change.

I have been to three whore houses in my 56 years and all three visits were wonderful, and yes, I got what I paid for. The first one was a redhead, with dirty feet, it was wild and great. The next time about three years later, a blonde, if was great also. The last time, she had very dark hair, she gave me a half and half, and it was very good also. I love whore houses, Cat.

I find the 'prostitute" meme a little tiresome.
Growing up, the prevailing male "moral code" was:
"Find them, Feel them, Fuck them, and Forget them"

But, that's not how my life worked out.
My wife and I often fought like cats and dogs over "our territory".
But, we also scratched each other's backs.
And, I owe her a huge debt of gratitude for raising our two fine and excellent children when I was acting like a complete asshole.
Not that she was much better.
We're still together.
Where's the prostitution in that ? Or, maybe we're both whores?

I don't know...maybe I was raised differently than other women. My mother was a tough old bat and raised me to learn that I don't deserve anything that I didn't earn. Not only that, but the day that sex becomes 'work', I won't want to have anything to do with it. I work enough lol

Hey, great post.

I too have visited houses of prostitution. Sometimes I had a great time and got far more than my money's worth, sometimes not.

Should I feel guilty? I've never gone when I was in a relationship, and I've never been married.

And this last fact (that I'm not married) bums me up no end, even after having read Acidman's take. Truth be told, I'm still hurting over my own failure to "close the deal" SIX YEARS AGO, with a loving and wonderful woman.

And a big part of the reason for shrinking back when I had the chance was the fear that she would treat me like Acidman's ex-wifes did, or at best that she would be the boss and I would be taking orders. The mere thought of splitting my hard-earned take-home pay with her drove me crazy.

Well, I've come to the conclusion that you can be too fearful and selfish. If I ever get another chance I'll take the plunge. Also, I've decided that if I want a (mostly) stay-at-home mom who spends much time with our (hoped-for) children, there is no other way than to let her be the boss of the family in exchange for the sacrifices she's making.

And the money? My income has plummeted since being alone again. I just don't think I can be whole and functioning on a high level unless I'm living with a woman.

So, as long as our bills are paid, I'm resigned that she'll have the deciding vote in any discussion on what to do with the rest. Go shopping? Support her dead-beat relatives? All these fears that I've had, I've made my peace with 'em. And I accept that, as a perfectly fair expectation regarding my part of the bargain.

It's a pretty pitiful state of affairs when 'falling in love' means 'resigning' yourself to all of the bullshit that comes with it, isn't it?

It makes me laugh...or perhaps I laugh to keep myself from crying. Either way, having been bitten twice in my life, I still have a pretty good outlook on love. I long ago gave up the dream of that happily ever after shit, but have reached a point where I am content with the here and now.

And I just noticed that I've got my nick saved with a z at school and the normal way at home. Lest I be mistaken for a troll Rob, I'm sure you realize that both are yours truly.

Been married 15yrs and I think my husband has paid a heavy price....now I wouldn't ever leave him, I'd hate to see him get a real shot at happiness..haha..

Yes, of course, all women ARE whores at heart.

It's marriage that should be made illegal.

DTG xxoo
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Acidman is bang on with this post. Unfortunately, it also to ME 20 years to realize that nothing in this world is free, especially not THAT. Any woman who trys to deny or explain away the basic truth of his assertions is kidding herself and every other female. Sometimes the truth hurts, ladies, and like it or not, this is a stark, cold, hard, truth.

Think I said something like that a while back in a reply to one of your posts. I caught hell for that one. People want to think that something is free, nothing is life is free, sooner of later you will pay for it, one way or another.

"Been married 15yrs and I think my husband has paid a heavy price....now I wouldn't ever leave him, I'd hate to see him get a real shot at happiness..haha.."

Good thing you said 15 years, 'cuz otherwise I'd think my wife was posting here...

"The most expensive pussy I ever had in my life came from the two wimmen I made the mistake of MARRYING. "

I only made that "mistake" once, and we're still married, but I hear yer noise, brutha.

PS: Steve (I call him Steve), over at littletinylies.com told me I should write you. He seems to think that we came [insert chuckle here], from the same sperm repository. He could be right.

Hey, Chabliz, sounds like you and your ex have it right. Worked out about like that with my first wife. Which is a big reason why lost the second wife.

Second decided that, kids or no, I should have NO contact with first wife, to the extent that I should a: go to court and take custody away from her and b: get the court to prevent her seeing them. I told her that, assuming any court would actually do that without some proof of her being a bad mother, why would I put the kids through something like that? Things went rapidly and completely to hell from there.

I think Rob has some of it right; she seemed to think that I belonged totally to her, and no one, other than my kids, should have any attention that BELONGED/was OWED TO/ her.

Bless you for working things right.

As my pop said (and still does) "All women are whores, we're just haggling over price."

Mark,
Fortunately you got out of that while you could. I can pretty much guarantee that had you stuck around and actually gotten custody of the kids, she probably would have then had difficulty adjusting to raising some other woman's children.
I've lucked out all around...I actually get along with my children's stepmother. She loves my kids like they were her own. I pray to God that my ex doesn't fuck up this marriage...I know I won't be lucky enough for him to find another woman as easy to deal with lol.

Chablis , good for you & them.

One of the real crappy things about this? Even after all the garbage (my daughter once said "she was real nice before she went insane"), there are times I still miss her.

Rob, believe it or not, I do understand some of your background.

hell.

If 'all women are whores,' I'm owed an awful lot of backpay and men are a bunch of welching deadbeats.

My mom used to say it wasn't proper to accept jewelry from a man to whom you were not engaged, as it lead the man on. My mama raised me all wrong, didn't she?

Or, in the words of Jo Foxworth "The screwing you get isn't worth the screwing you get."

Does Jennifer give lessons? Where do I sign up?

Here's my take on this article, from my humble blog.

What I was going to mention there and forgot to was this: Is there anyone here who can honestly say that they have never in their entire lives done something they would not otherwise have done, but that they did do because someone was paying them to do it? I sure has hell can't, and neither can Rob. The rest of you can speak for yourselves.

Which means, to paraphrase George Bernard Shaw, we have already established what we all are, we are only haggling over the product line.

Rob, here's my take: Casual/recreational sex is a REALLY BAD DEAL for women. The medical consequences are worse (think "silent" STDs like chlamydia & genital warts which don't damage men but play havoc with women's reproductive systems). Emotionally we women are hard-wired to bond with our sexual partners. The intense intimacy and total vulnerability of sex carries a powerful visceral desire for permanence--for the woman. Makes sense evolutionarily--pregnancy and child-rearing are far more successful when supported by a man. The pill may protect against pregnancy, but as I've heard it said, "There's no pill for your heart." The sexual revolution and the massive increase in divorces and single parenthood have resulted in a couple of generations of men and women who have a skewed view of sex, marriage, and fidelity. Bottom line--many men now want women to behave as prostitutes, and treat them that way. And women who have bought in to the "sex is just recreation" mentality are scarred and hardened -- both by not having a loving and stable dad and mom, and by the heartaches they suffered in their dating relationships. Finally, even those loving relationships which start with sex and end in marriage are to some extent "jinxed" by the way unmarried sex short-circuits the emotional bonding experience which used to take place in courtship. When problems arise, as they always do, the couple has not built esteem and respect for one another, which would help to handle the conflict. And people who have lived sexually active lifestyles before marriage are vulnerable to infidelity under stress. My opinion is that men who intentionally build up their own characters, regularly help others, and treat every woman with respect have a better chance at happiness and good marriages than those who want every date to be a potential sexual conquest. And I know there are women out there who are looking for men like that. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that kind of relationship for you AND Steve over at HOI, both of whom I respect tremendously! Just my $0.02.

See my comment at Steve's (not much that you didn't know already).

TwoCents: nail on the head.